2007-02-11T21:27:50.085ZNomicronNomicron ATOM feedhttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41542007-02-11T06:25:02.000-00:06Motion: Welcome BodnotbodMake Bodnotbod an active player in Nomicron per Rule 3.Make Bodnotbod an active player in Nomicron per Rule 3.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41552007-02-11T06:24:06.000-00:06Can I become an active player?Welcome, Bodnotbod... I'll submit the motion for you to become a player. -JefWelcome, Bodnotbod... I'll submit the motion for you to become a player. -Jefhttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41532007-02-10T20:16:41.000-00:06Can I become an active player?Hello, I notice you've just finished a round. Can I join? I've not played Nomic before, but I have read the original rules plus the rules you've developed up to this point. If I'm accepted, I'd like to play under the name of Bodnotbod. Regards, er... Bodnotbod PS: I spotted the exploit re. unanimous votes not specifiyingHello, I notice you've just finished a round. Can I join? I've not played Nomic before, but I have read the original rules plus the rules you've developed up to this point. If I'm accepted, I'd like to play under the name of Bodnotbod. Regards, er... Bodnotbod PS: I spotted the exploit re. unanimous votes not specifiyinghttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41522007-02-10T20:01:46.000-00:06the next theme discussionThe only game that occurs to me for that board is "Mornington Crescent." Of course, that's very much in the spirit of nomic, so that may be a good thing. I'm all for NecroNomicron, though.The only game that occurs to me for that board is "Mornington Crescent." Of course, that's very much in the spirit of nomic, so that may be a good thing. I'm all for NecroNomicron, though.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41512007-02-10T03:45:49.000-00:06the next theme discussionThe straight-line version of the interstate highway system is interesting, but I don't think it's all that useful as a gameboard. I do like the NecroNomicron idea, though. Actually, I thought of that same pun back when I first joined (Round 3), but as we weren't doing themes then, I didn't have any real use for it.The straight-line version of the interstate highway system is interesting, but I don't think it's all that useful as a gameboard. I do like the NecroNomicron idea, though. Actually, I thought of that same pun back when I first joined (Round 3), but as we weren't doing themes then, I didn't have any real use for it.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41502007-02-09T17:23:52.000-00:06the next theme discussionI would like to direct our attention to this map, which might easily become a game board: [link] Also, I'll resurrect this message from the deep: Might I suggest "NecroNomicron" for the theme of Round Eight?I would like to direct our attention to this map, which might easily become a game board: [link] Also, I'll resurrect this message from the deep: Might I suggest "NecroNomicron" for the theme of Round Eight?http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41482007-02-08T22:29:14.000-00:06Motion: Welcome _hrrldMake _hrrld an active player in Nomicron per Rule 3.Make _hrrld an active player in Nomicron per Rule 3.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41492007-02-08T22:27:52.000-00:06Motion UpdateLooney's motion "Unambiguous Game State" passed unanimously, with the following players voting for it: Looney Jef Modnar Ouroboros Royalfire Submit any motions directly to the public forum... players will have one week to vote on them after they are posted. Votes should be sent to v...@nomicron.org.Looney's motion "Unambiguous Game State" passed unanimously, with the following players voting for it: Looney Jef Modnar Ouroboros Royalfire Submit any motions directly to the public forum... players will have one week to vote on them after they are posted. Votes should be sent to v...@nomicron.org.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41472007-02-02T01:14:00.000-00:06Looney Wins Round 7Looney is the winner of Round 7.Looney won by successfully repealing <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> as described in <a href="/pageview.cron?page_id=3959">RFJ 6006</a>.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41442007-02-02T00:31:26.000-00:06Hi!Sweet. I look forward to being activated. I think I'd like to use '_hrrld' as my player name. It's pronounced like 'Harold' which happens to be my real name. If some link in the nomic chain doesn't like underscores, or names with no vowels, then 'Harold' would be my second choice. Sweet, -_hrrldSweet. I look forward to being activated. I think I'd like to use '_hrrld' as my player name. It's pronounced like 'Harold' which happens to be my real name. If some link in the nomic chain doesn't like underscores, or names with no vowels, then 'Harold' would be my second choice. Sweet, -_hrrldhttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41432007-02-01T17:18:09.000-00:06Motion: Unambiguous Game StateSend your votes to v...@nomicron.org for this motion. I will take care of tabulating the votes for this motion. I had suggested we wait a month before getting fully going on the Convention, but that is not necessary if folks have ideas on round 8 they want to get out there. Also, if anyone else would like to volunteer to run the convention,Send your votes to v...@nomicron.org for this motion. I will take care of tabulating the votes for this motion. I had suggested we wait a month before getting fully going on the Convention, but that is not necessary if folks have ideas on round 8 they want to get out there. Also, if anyone else would like to volunteer to run the convention,http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41422007-02-01T17:13:08.000-00:06Hi!Hello and welcome... you are correct that we have just ended Round 7 of Nomicron. What happens normally at this point is we enter a Convention to plan for the next round. Looney has presented a motion to vote on to bring the game back to a playable state. Once that has passed (and I assume it will), we can add you as a player by passingHello and welcome... you are correct that we have just ended Round 7 of Nomicron. What happens normally at this point is we enter a Convention to plan for the next round. Looney has presented a motion to vote on to bring the game back to a playable state. Once that has passed (and I assume it will), we can add you as a player by passinghttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41412007-02-01T13:11:03.000-00:06Hi!A colleague sent me an email today that somehow (it was totally unrelated) reminded me of an afternoon where I had discovered the nomic entry on wikipedia several months ago. This email led me on a search, and somehow (not quite directly) to here, and I'd like to join your game. (: Reading through a couple of the recent messages makes it seem like theA colleague sent me an email today that somehow (it was totally unrelated) reminded me of an afternoon where I had discovered the nomic entry on wikipedia several months ago. This email led me on a search, and somehow (not quite directly) to here, and I'd like to join your game. (: Reading through a couple of the recent messages makes it seem like thehttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41402007-02-01T02:23:01.000-00:06Motion: Unambiguous Game StateActually, I think we should have at least one motion immediately, just to clean up the mess from this round's ending. Anything else we want to do can wait. Here's the motion that I'm submitting now: Motion: Unambiguous Game State Round 7 of Nomicron is over; Looney is the winner of Round 7. The gameActually, I think we should have at least one motion immediately, just to clean up the mess from this round's ending. Anything else we want to do can wait. Here's the motion that I'm submitting now: Motion: Unambiguous Game State Round 7 of Nomicron is over; Looney is the winner of Round 7. The gamehttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41392007-01-31T16:40:59.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009Congratulations, Looney! I believe this makes it as official as it can be, given the circumstances. Of course, any player could choose to ignore this ruling if they would like to, but I for one accept it. Even if it wasn't Looney's intent to win the round, this was a clever play, and one of the more interesting round endings.Congratulations, Looney! I believe this makes it as official as it can be, given the circumstances. Of course, any player could choose to ignore this ruling if they would like to, but I for one accept it. Even if it wasn't Looney's intent to win the round, this was a clever play, and one of the more interesting round endings.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41382007-01-30T21:25:31.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009pitboss has rendered a ruling of False on Case 6009pitboss has rendered a ruling of False on Case 6009 -------------- RFJ [Title] Don't worry; be happy [Creator] Jef [Create Date] 2007-01-30 13:34 [Statement] The repeal of <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> would not interfere with the rules' authority to govern the game. [Arguments] Suppose this statement is false. That is, the rules' authority does come directly from <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a>. In that case, where did <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> get its authority to empower the rules? <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> cannot gain authority from itself; that would be a vicious circularity. Therefore, the governing power of the rules derives from a source outside of <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a>, and would not be affected by that rule's repeal, Q.E.D. (NOTE: this is Looney's RFJ--I am resubmitting this to fix the problem with no judge assigned... I'll correct the creator field if this works) [Decision] False [Judge] pitboss [Reasoning] Rule 1 is essentially a self-referential rule. As long as you agree that Rule 1 is a rule, you must abide by all rules. If you don't agree that Rule 1 is in effect, then essentially, you're not playing. As things stand today, without Rule 1, we can play the game, but ignore the rules where they are inconvenient. This situation obviously leads to an unplayable state and thus, Looney wins this round of Nomicron. Nice play!http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41162007-01-30T21:07:53.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009Nomicron seems to have had some out-of-memory errors occur yesterday after I had installed a build-tool on the same server. I think it caused several database inconsistencies--the inabiltiy to choose a judge was one of them, but I am not surprised there are others. :(Nomicron seems to have had some out-of-memory errors occur yesterday after I had installed a build-tool on the same server. I think it caused several database inconsistencies--the inabiltiy to choose a judge was one of them, but I am not surprised there are others. :(http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41152007-01-30T20:58:52.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009There seems to be something more messed up with the server than just the RFJs, because Hold'em isn't working either. Maybe we should go into convention just so we don't have to deal with all the computer problems :-PThere seems to be something more messed up with the server than just the RFJs, because Hold'em isn't working either. Maybe we should go into convention just so we don't have to deal with all the computer problems :-Phttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41142007-01-30T20:53:11.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009As a side note, I considered amending rule 1 to read "Players must not obey the rules," instead of repealing it, but decided that such an amendment wouldn't make any sense, as most of the rules aren't lawlike; they define game concepts and entities rather than declaring what actions players must and must not perform, and it's impossible toAs a side note, I considered amending rule 1 to read "Players must not obey the rules," instead of repealing it, but decided that such an amendment wouldn't make any sense, as most of the rules aren't lawlike; they define game concepts and entities rather than declaring what actions players must and must not perform, and it's impossible tohttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41132007-01-30T20:44:49.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009As my latest RFJ points out, I think that Rule 1 was redundant; we obey the rules because they are rules, not because there is a specific rule saying "obey the rules." I mean, if you were to walk into a courtroom and claim that you're allowed to break the law because there is no law saying that you must obey the law, you'd be convicted in anAs my latest RFJ points out, I think that Rule 1 was redundant; we obey the rules because they are rules, not because there is a specific rule saying "obey the rules." I mean, if you were to walk into a courtroom and claim that you're allowed to break the law because there is no law saying that you must obey the law, you'd be convicted in anhttp://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41122007-01-30T19:32:58.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009fixed... weird data bug. I had to submit a new RFJ to correct this (several attempts, actually), but I have corrected the case creator so it is Looney.fixed... weird data bug. I had to submit a new RFJ to correct this (several attempts, actually), but I have corrected the case creator so it is Looney.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=41102007-01-30T19:28:27.000-00:06RFJ Case 6009A new Request for Judgment has been submitted by Jef. pitboss has been selected as the judge on Case 6009A new Request for Judgment has been submitted by Jef. pitboss has been selected as the judge on Case 6009 -------------- RFJ [Title] Don't worry; be happy [Creator] Jef [Create Date] 2007-01-30 13:34 [Statement] The repeal of <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> would not interfere with the rules' authority to govern the game. [Arguments] Suppose this statement is false. That is, the rules' authority does come directly from <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a>. In that case, where did <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> get its authority to empower the rules? <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a> cannot gain authority from itself; that would be a vicious circularity. Therefore, the governing power of the rules derives from a source outside of <a href="/rule/1">Rule 1</a>, and would not be affected by that rule's repeal, Q.E.D. (NOTE: this is Looney's RFJ--I am resubmitting this to fix the problem with no judge assigned... I'll correct the creator field if this works) [Decision] Undecided [Judge] pitboss [Reasoning] http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40332007-01-30T18:21:03.000-00:06RFJ Case 6007I'd like to change my score to a bunch of apples, and my target score to a barrel of grapes. Well done, Looney. When/how did you notice that? Out of curiousity, why is it that Rule 6 doesn't provide a criteria of "other motions require acceptance by a 2/3 majority among cast votes to pass"...?I'd like to change my score to a bunch of apples, and my target score to a barrel of grapes. Well done, Looney. When/how did you notice that? Out of curiousity, why is it that Rule 6 doesn't provide a criteria of "other motions require acceptance by a 2/3 majority among cast votes to pass"...?http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40322007-01-30T17:57:09.000-00:06RFJ Case 6007Well, if there's no rules, I draw the rest of the deck in Texas Hold 'Em. And declare myself King. All joking aside, Looney wins if he wants to.Well, if there's no rules, I draw the rest of the deck in Texas Hold 'Em. And declare myself King. All joking aside, Looney wins if he wants to.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40312007-01-30T17:01:43.000-00:06RFJ Case 6007The system seems to have screwed up on this one; the case hasn't been assigned to a judge or anything. Jef, please fix it ASAP.The system seems to have screwed up on this one; the case hasn't been assigned to a judge or anything. Jef, please fix it ASAP.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40302007-01-30T05:00:50.000-00:06RFJ Case 6006I agree... nicely done. Looney has yet to speak on what he thinks happened, but I think without the rule that defines the game and requires players to follow the rules, the game has essentially unraveled. Even though one needn't follow the paradox rule, I would support Looney if he chose to claim victory.I agree... nicely done. Looney has yet to speak on what he thinks happened, but I think without the rule that defines the game and requires players to follow the rules, the game has essentially unraveled. Even though one needn't follow the paradox rule, I would support Looney if he chose to claim victory.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40202007-01-30T03:54:00.000-00:06ProposalsProposals for Turn 7 - 22 Vote on these proposals by 2007-02-03 22:00 CDTProposals for Turn 7 - 22 Vote on these proposals by 2007-02-03 22:00 CDT ------------------------- 352. [Author] Looney [Credit] [Credit] >-Enact the following rule: Mutable [Title] Officer Requirement [Text] The Administrator must maintain and publish records of all objects or entities defined by the rules, along with all properties of such objects or entities, unless the rules require that such properties remain secret. If the Administrator is unwilling or unable to maintain and publish a record for some particular object or entity, he may declare it to be "Officer Required" and request a volunteer to maintain and publish a record of its status. The person who volunteers shall be the officer in charge of that object or entity, and shall receive an appropriate title and a salary of 3 chips per turn. If an officer fails to maintain the record of his assigned object or entity during any turn, he shall forfeit his salary for that turn, and his target score shall be increased by 3. If this happens during three consecutive turns, the officer shall lose his position, and his target score shall be increased by 30, in addition to the above penalties. An officer may voluntarily resign his position at any time without penalty. When an officer loses his position by either of these mechanisms, the Administrator shall solicit a new volunteer to serve as officer. If an object or entity is designated Officer Required, but does not have an officer, then any rules that refer to the Officer Required object or entity are not in effect. ------------------------- 353. [Author] Royalfire [Credit] [Credit] >-Enact the following rule: Mutable [Title] Paper Clip [Text] There exists a type of rule change known as "Paper Clipping." A proposal may be submitted to Paper Clip any two rules which have shared a keyword for at least one turn. A proposal to Paper Clip must pass with a unanimous majority if an immutable rule is to be clipped with a mutable rule, or a two-thirds majority otherwise. If two rules are Paper Clipped together, they are merged into one rule with the higher number of the two rules. If either of the rules to be Paper Clipped was mutable, the combined rule is mutable. Convention rules cannot be Paper Clipped. ------------------------- 354. [Author] GroupThink Tank >-Enact the following rule: Mutable [Title] Busy, Busy! [Text] The sentences of this rule other than this sentence have no effect, there exists a subset of members known as "Nomic, Inc." with membership of all players currently possesing a title other than Judge or Administrator, and the positions of Bard and Humorist shall be created as follows: for three turns after the CEO first declares a Poetry Contest, each player may submit up to one line of poetry per turn to a Time drop, then on the fourth turn, the submitted lines shall be made public knowledge and any player may submit a Poem composed only of these lines, after which all of the submitted Poems will be voted upon in a Smith//Minmax fashion, with the least total score in this election becoming Bard and the greatest total score becoming Humorist. ------------------------- http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40212007-01-30T03:54:00.000-00:06Player ReportActive players for Turn 7 - 22: Jef, Looney, Modnar, Ouroboros, pitboss, Royalfire ******************** ACTIVE ******************** Jef [Points] -1 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -3 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -2 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 -4 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 -5 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-27 22:00 -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 26 Handout: 3187 Winner [221.4] 2007-01-27 22:00 = 253 TOTAL [Chips] = 0 TOTAL [Target Score] = 471 TOTAL ------------------------- Looney [Points] -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 = 180 TOTAL [Chips] -1 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -3 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -2 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 = 4 TOTAL [Target Score] -12 Failed Proposal: Correction [205.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 12 Failed Proposal: 349 [205.2] 2007-01-27 22:00 = 527 TOTAL ------------------------- Modnar [Points] -1 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -2 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 -5 Added card to Sleeve [322.2] 2007-01-28 14:38 = 116 TOTAL [Chips] = 0 TOTAL [Target Score] = 478 TOTAL ------------------------- Ouroboros [Points] -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 2 Hold'em Tournament: Hizzoner [302.2] 2007-01-27 22:00 = 261 TOTAL [Chips] -1 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 = 11 TOTAL [Target Score] = 522 TOTAL ------------------------- pitboss [Points] -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 = -4 TOTAL [Chips] = 12 TOTAL [Target Score] = 548 TOTAL ------------------------- Royalfire [Points] -1 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 -10 Swapped sleeve card [322.2] 2007-01-23 06:30 -2 Hold'em Tournament [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 10 Adopted Proposal: 350 [217.3] 2007-01-27 22:00 10 GroupThink Tank [331.2] 2007-01-27 22:00 -4 No color selection for two turns [334.2] 2007-01-20 22:00 = 91 TOTAL [Chips] = 0 TOTAL [Target Score] = 510 TOTAL ------------------------- ******************** ENTITY ******************** GroupThink Tank [Points] 10 Adopted Proposal: 351 [217.3] 2007-01-27 22:00 = 40 TOTAL [Chips] = 0 TOTAL [Target Score] = 48 TOTAL ------------------------- Poker House [Points] = 0 TOTAL [Chips] 1 Bet: Royalfire [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 1 Bet: Ouroboros [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 1 Bet: Modnar [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 1 Bet: Jef [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 1 Bet: Looney [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 3 Bet: Looney [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 3 Bet: Jef [221.4] 2007-01-22 22:00 2 Bet: Royalfire [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 2 Bet: Modnar [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 2 Bet: Jef [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 2 Bet: Looney [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 4 Bet: Jef [221.4] 2007-01-25 10:00 5 Bet: Jef [221.4] 2007-01-27 22:00 -26 Hold'em Tournament: 3187 Winner [221.4] 2007-01-27 22:00 = 13 TOTAL [Target Score] = 0 TOTAL ------------------------- ******************** INACTIVE ******************** Day [Points] = 6 TOTAL [Chips] = 20 TOTAL [Target Score] = 503 TOTAL ------------------------- Greywhind [Points] = 36 TOTAL [Chips] = 17 TOTAL [Target Score] = 503 TOTAL ------------------------- Tovan [Points] = 0 TOTAL [Chips] = 0 TOTAL [Target Score] = 468 TOTAL ------------------------- http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=40292007-01-30T03:54:00.000-00:06Hold'em Tournament 4023: Sign-upSign-up for the tournament before the beginning of next turn using the link on the tournament page.Sign-up for the tournament before the beginning of next turn using the link on the tournament page.http://nomicron.org/feeditem.cron?feed_item_id=39812007-01-29T22:53:20.000-00:06RFJ Case 6006This results in quite a mess. Well played, Looney. This seems to me close to the "ultimate doomsday goal", repeal of Rule One. Looney could well claim to win this Round under Paradox, since further game play is not possible and there are no rules to adjudicate winning.This results in quite a mess. Well played, Looney. This seems to me close to the "ultimate doomsday goal", repeal of Rule One. Looney could well claim to win this Round under Paradox, since further game play is not possible and there are no rules to adjudicate winning.